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    Rear mount guys, take a look

    This thread is for every guy who has ever blown a turbo, only to find oil in the intake pipes. First of all, and most importantly, the oil drain line. In this case, size DOES matter. I blew oil past the turbo's seals multiple times when I had the STS oil drain setup and I have had no issues since I incorporated this drain setup with AN-10 line. The point of having the big drain line is to use gravity to allow the oil to drain freely, and without restriction, out of the center section. This prevents the oil from pooling up in the center section and pushing past the seals. A 90* fitting on the drain may not be the best idea, but notice how I allowed 4" of pipe from the center section as to allow the oil to pool up in the line underneath the turbo, rather than inside the turbo - then the pump takes over. BTW, only use the ExaPump for oil scavenging because it is quite simply the BEST pump for oil scavenging, period.

    Second, is the oil restrictor. Most people do not understand how common over-oiling a turbo is. STS seems to think that a wide-open AN-4 line, without a restrictor, and with about 60psi of oil pressure @ WOT will not harm the turbo - Those idiots are WRONG. Most turbos need an oil restrictor and the size of which will vary from turbo to turbo. For example, I run a journal bearing 60mm and I use a 0.065" restrictor which is a tad big for that turbo though - a 0.050" would probably be better. Notice in the picture how the restrictor is mounted prior to the 90* fitting. This allows the restricted oil to hit the side wall of the 90* fitting, then trickle down into the center section thus providing a gentle flow of oil. If you install the restrictor directly into the center section, you will have a pressurized jet violently spraying the center section with oil which I think could be bad.

    Last, but still important, the PCV setup. Like an idiot, I believed the STS PCV setup was sufficient at first. I then realized it chokes the crankcase trying to vent it through one tiny orifice. I also tried putting filters on the valve covers, but I found oil was making its way out the filters and on top of the valve covers - no bueno. Finally, I installed a moroso breather tank. It is a very simple installation and setup which works very well - crankcase doesn't choke @ WOT, valve covers don't get saturated with oil, etc. If the crankcase gets choked @ WOT, your oil pressure will skyrocket and the turbo will probably give. Installation is simple - just mount the tank and run hoses from it to the valve cover nipples.
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    More pics. BTW, the oil restrictor is the orange fitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetmech View Post
    More pics. BTW, the oil restrictor is the orange fitting.
    In the last picture to the right of the second post is that a filter before the restrictor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR View Post
    In the last picture to the right of the second post is that a filter before the restrictor?
    No, it's a check valve. It just stops oil flow into the turbo when you kill the engine

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    not all turbos even need a restrictor. restricting a turbo can harm it just as well as over oiling it. some setups are using -6 as an oil feed with no restrictior but also using -12 as drain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    not all turbos even need a restrictor. restricting a turbo can harm it just as well as over oiling it. some setups are using -6 as an oil feed with no restrictior but also using -12 as drain.
    Interesting. Not saying you're wrong, but in my experience the oil restrictor has always been needed. I figure that restricting oil flow too much will sieze the turbo while over-oiling it will just push oil past the seals but still allow the turbo to spin. Over-oiling has happened to me a few times How big are the turbos with -6 feed and -12 drain? I'm assuming they're pretty big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetmech View Post
    Interesting. Not saying you're wrong, but in my experience the oil restrictor has always been needed. I figure that restricting oil flow too much will sieze the turbo while over-oiling it will just push oil past the seals but still allow the turbo to spin. Over-oiling has happened to me a few times How big are the turbos with -6 feed and -12 drain? I'm assuming they're pretty big.
    it all has to do with how much can escape really. more goes in the more has to escape at similar rate. being rear mount youre already fighting gravity, not mention on how far your oil has to travel to exit the system.


    i supply 65psi at idle on my current setup and last setup saw 55 at idle both pegging the guage at 4000+ rpms.
    but if it works for you then so be it. just make sure your getting enough oil to the turbo or it will the bed early
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    just make sure your getting enough oil to the turbo or it will shit the bed early
    Will do. Thanks for all the input

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    With your breather setup did you eliminate the factory pcv system all together (nothing to the intake manifold or before he throttle body) and just run the breathers to the catch can?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boost05 View Post
    With your breather setup did you eliminate the factory pcv system all together (nothing to the intake manifold or before he throttle body) and just run the breathers to the catch can?
    Yup, I deleted the factory PCV system and just ran hoses from the valve covers to the breather tank

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